[Bucman]

Outside of his one incident with the Packers on thanksgiving. He just plays with a nasty demeanor. I like it, he intimates offensive players which you want in D players.

[butta55]

I guess it boils down to your tolerance for aggression. Even though he knows he is doing these things I still don't mind. If you played football before then you know whining to a ref or coach won't get you much respect. Its push or be pushed so if players don't like him then beat him. Either way everyone would have him on their team if they could

[Thanatos19]

butta55, on 04 June 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

I guess it boils down to your tolerance for aggression. Even though he knows he is doing these things I still don't mind. If you played football before then you know whining to a ref or coach won't get you much respect. Its push or be pushed so if players don't like him then beat him. Either way everyone would have him on their team if they could

Nope.

I wouldn't want him on the Panthers.

I don't even know that he's all that good, and I don't want someone who can't control himself on the field like Suh obviously can't.

[Ngata_Chance]

I love these topics because it really illustrates the point of fact that Roger Goodell is ruining the NFL. In 1995 people would not even be seriously considering this topic.

As to the question, yes Suh is a dirty player. Should he be considered that.....other than the stomp no. That stomp was bullshit and the way he lied to cover it up was a little ridiculous. Other than that I think he plays the game exactly how it was intended to be played. Unforgiving and making sure when you hit the locker room there was not one extra thing you could of done to make a difference.

James Harrison is a victim of his mouth and not thinking before he speaks. normally I dont care about his but man you cant run your mouth like that to Goodell and expect him to take it like a man so constantly aggravating the guy and then wondering why you get flagged is a little ridiculous. Now I dont think Harrison is dirty in the slightest. Honestly if he wasnt a bitter rival I would buy his jersey (that hurt to say). The dude is big, he is physical, he is nasty, he is tough, and he plays with a chip on his shoulder trying to kick all the people that passed on him right up the ass. So needless to say I love the way the dude plays, in MY opinion I think the dude is a model for how the game is supposed to be played.

I think this all boils down to the simple fact that QB's now are pusscakes (with the exception of a few). I have seen Vonta Leach and several LB's go head to head and not a single referee gave it a second thought. He is an offensive player and a defensive guy hit him in the head. So what is the difference ? Oh yeah he isnt a QB. I have seen Ray Rice do the same thing. But these WR's and QB's play in a bubble. When Ray lewis hit Chad Ochocinco shoulderpad to shoulder pad and knocked his helmet off and got flagged I knew the league had forever been changed and we would see more and more "dirty" player's.

As to wanting Suh on the Ravens...how do you say it ???? FUCK YEAH !!!!! Him and Ngata would be a ridiculous tandem to try to contend with.

[Ngata_Chance]

I love these topics because it really illustrates the point of fact that Roger Goodell is ruining the NFL. In 1995 people would not even be seriously considering this topic.

As to the question, yes Suh is a dirty player. Should he be considered that.....other than the stomp no. That stomp was bullshit and the way he lied to cover it up was a little ridiculous. Other than that I think he plays the game exactly how it was intended to be played. Unforgiving and making sure when you hit the locker room there was not one extra thing you could of done to make a difference.

James Harrison is a victim of his mouth and not thinking before he speaks. normally I dont care about his but man you cant run your mouth like that to Goodell and expect him to take it like a man so constantly aggravating the guy and then wondering why you get flagged is a little ridiculous. Now I dont think Harrison is dirty in the slightest. Honestly if he wasnt a bitter rival I would buy his jersey (that hurt to say). The dude is big, he is physical, he is nasty, he is tough, and he plays with a chip on his shoulder trying to kick all the people that passed on him right up the ass. So needless to say I love the way the dude plays, in MY opinion I think the dude is a model for how the game is supposed to be played.

I think this all boils down to the simple fact that QB's now are pusscakes (with the exception of a few). I have seen Vonta Leach and several LB's go head to head and not a single referee gave it a second thought. He is an offensive player and a defensive guy hit him in the head. So what is the difference ? Oh yeah he isnt a QB. I have seen Ray Rice do the same thing. But these WR's and QB's play in a bubble. When Ray lewis hit Chad Ochocinco shoulderpad to shoulder pad and knocked his helmet off and got flagged I knew the league had forever been changed and we would see more and more "dirty" player's.

As to wanting Suh on the Ravens...how do you say it ???? FUCK YEAH !!!!! Him and Ngata would be a ridiculous tandem to try to contend with.

[BwareDWare94]

Repeatedly pushing people's head into the turf, clotheslining Delhomme, constant unnecessary roughness penalties--no, he's not dirty outside of the stomp! Not at all.

The dude is dirty and even if it was 1995, we would all know it and would all give a shit because he wouldn't be getting the punishment he deserved.

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F]

Ngata_Chance, on 04 June 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

I think this all boils down to the simple fact that QB's now are pusscakes (with the exception of a few). I have seen Vonta Leach and several LB's go head to head and not a single referee gave it a second thought. He is an offensive player and a defensive guy hit him in the head. So what is the difference ? Oh yeah he isnt a QB. I have seen Ray Rice do the same thing. But these WR's and QB's play in a bubble. When Ray lewis hit Chad Ochocinco shoulderpad to shoulder pad and knocked his helmet off and got flagged I knew the league had forever been changed and we would see more and more "dirty" player's.

As to wanting Suh on the Ravens...how do you say it ???? FUCK YEAH !!!!! Him and Ngata would be a ridiculous tandem to try to contend with.

The problem is that a lot of the time, these QBs and WRs are often defenseless... That's when it becomes a completely different animal.

It's one thing when a fullback runs into the the LB, and they both know it's gonna happen, and they both see it coming. But with QBs, being that their success depends on being help upright by others, and they often get hit from areas they don't see coming, they do deserve a higher amount of protection from the officials.

How much protection they deserve, and how hard it should be enforced is a different story...

This post has been edited by DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F: 04 June 2012 - 11:18 PM

[Ngata_Chance]

BwareDWare94, on 04 June 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

Repeatedly pushing people's head into the turf, clotheslining Delhomme, constant unnecessary roughness penalties--no, he's not dirty outside of the stomp! Not at all.

The dude is dirty and even if it was 1995, we would all know it and would all give a shit because he wouldn't be getting the punishment he deserved.

No you think you know. I remember Reggie White doing that stuff, that is just how they were taught to play ball back then. I remember several players doing things like that and back then it was just called playing ball which is why you didnt really hear about this until Goodell got here. Greene for the Steelers did it, Bruce Smith did it, Charles Haley did it, and the list goes on and on, just because you dont remember it does not mean it did not happen.

I feel bad for a lot of cats because this is the football you know.