DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F, on 09 June 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:
And lastly, this idea that Eli Manning is at his best in the playoffs compared to some of these other QBs would be a different tune if he hadn't played against so many bad defenses on his way to winning the Super Bowl. His numbers in the playoffs weren't very impressive either in compassion to Rivers before this past postseason.
DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F, on 10 June 2012 - 02:46 AM, said:
Ok, I see, so because Eli has been able to 'compose' himself in moments here and there more then Rivers, the fact that one QB has the other one beat in almost every category statistically by a significant amount should just be thrown out the window.
To each their own I guess...
"Clutch" is more overly used than Sasha Grey's arsehole. What do you even define clutch as. Is it winning games when behind in the 4th quarter? Is it winning games on the final drive of the 4th quarter? Or is it winning a Super Bowl in the last possible moment? Too many different scenarios.
Rivers literally has Manning beat in every category but isn't considered clutch, therefore Manning is the better QB. I'm guessing clutch means winning in the final minute of the Super Bowl. The only reason why Manning is in this conversation is because of two games against the Patriots that earned him 2 rings. Correct?
Lets quickly examine the two plays responsible for this.
07 Super Bowl:
- missed sack by two 300lb lineman, Manning proceeds to air it out to Burress, blown assignment by Harrison, unbelievable catch. Giants a few plays later win the game.
12 Super Bowl:
- Belichick and RIGHTFULLY SO, took a gamble with forcing Manning to go to Manningham in an attempt to shutdown Cruz and Nicks.
- Manningham to the wild disarray of NE fans actually caught the ball and a few plays later, Giants win the game
You never see defense in the discussion of "clutch" play. IMO, clutch should be applied to both offense AND defense. How well the DEFENSE produces when it counts is just as important as how well a QB would produce when it counts. I don't see those two plays as clutch on Eli Manning's part, but rather lack of composure and coordination on NE's part leading to Manning more or less lucking out.
Not trying to detract from Manning's stellar perfomance this post-season, just trying to make a point with the whole "clutch" thing.
If, however, clutch means winning in the final drive or even coming back from behind in the 4th quarter in general, then yes, I would consider Eli Manning to be clutch. The dude has like 21 comebacks in the 4th as well as 25 game winning drives. That's not bad compared to a Tom Brady who has 25 comebacks in the 4th and 35 game winning drives coming in about 3 years before Manning.
If the question was "Who is the better QB?", I would say Phillip Rivers. But as the question is "Who would YOU
take?", I'd honestly take Eli Manning because he has built a reputation of producing in the 4th quarter. But it really is massively over-exaggerated when discussing his Super Bowl victories.