[Plax 4 Prez]

NYGIANTSFLYHIGH, on 05 June 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:

So was having a discussion with some buddies this weekend, mostly Jet fans mind you, and figured Id get all your takes.


Eli or Rivers? Who are you taking and why

Um, are you serious??? Eli in a heartbeat. 2 SB's, 2 SB MVP's, had almost 5,000 yards last year, and is only getting better, while it seems like Rivers is getting worse, and can't stay healthy. IMO I take Eli over Ben too

[BenJarvus Green-Ellis]

Rivers probably could have had 2 rings by now as well. Dude's had the bad fortune of having 2 terrible head coaches, and a team around him that has had a knack for choking in postseason games.

[DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F]

Plax 4 Prez, on 06 June 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

Um, are you serious??? Eli in a heartbeat. 2 SB's, 2 SB MVP's, had almost 5,000 yards last year, and is only getting better, while it seems like Rivers is getting worse, and can't stay healthy. IMO I take Eli over Ben too

How is Rivers getting worse and Eli getting better? Because of one season? Have you taken the time to compare their stats the year previous to this one?

Hell, have you taken the time to even compare them this season? Rivers second worst season as a starter in his career wasnt all that far worse the Eli's 2 best years as a starter.

[Milla4Prez63]

I think Rivers is a better QB, but Eli is more accomplished in the playoffs. It is a tough comparison between the two, and I really don't like using rings as an argument. It takes a team to win Super Bowls. Is Eli better than Dan Marino?

[BwareDWare94]

There are plenty of ring-less QBs out there who could have won Super Bowls with Eli's two Giant teams. Rivers is one of them. Romo is another. You could even throw Matt Schaub into that conversation, and I'm sure I'm missing more.

I'm not saying if you swap Eli and these QBs that it would have happened, but I'd still bet on it. The Giants have had great teams, just like every other Super Bowl winner. It's not all Eli, by any means.

I'll still take Eli as of right now, but if he goes back to his ELI-NT ways, I may switch to Rivers.

[Bucman]

Eli Manning. He is clutch, has 2 superbowls. Also Rivers doesn't seem to have "it" when the playoffs come around.

[seanbrock]

BwareDWare94, on 07 June 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

There are plenty of ring-less QBs out there who could have won Super Bowls with Eli's two Giant teams. Rivers is one of them. Romo is another. You could even throw Matt Schaub into that conversation, and I'm sure I'm missing more.

I'm not saying if you swap Eli and these QBs that it would have happened, but I'd still bet on it. The Giants have had great teams, just like every other Super Bowl winner. It's not all Eli, by any means.

I'll still take Eli as of right now, but if he goes back to his ELI-NT ways, I may switch to Rivers.

lol Romo is good. Don't get me wrong but he's been a part of some damn good football teams that Eli might just have lead to a Super Bowl win.

[Plax 4 Prez]

DonovanMcnabb for H.O.F, on 07 June 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

How is Rivers getting worse and Eli getting better? Because of one season? Have you taken the time to compare their stats the year previous to this one?

Hell, have you taken the time to even compare them this season? Rivers second worst season as a starter in his career wasnt all that far worse the Eli's 2 best years as a starter.

I stated my comment based on composure, post-season, health, and if I were a GM and had to pick a QB based on recent seasons, I would take Eli not only over Rivers but over the rapist Ben aswell. Just my opinion, it's def. ok if you do not agree, lol.

[BwareDWare94]

seanbrock, on 07 June 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

lol Romo is good. Don't get me wrong but he's been a part of some damn good football teams that Eli might just have lead to a Super Bowl win.

Not even Eli could win with the defenses on the other side of the ball for Romo.

[Thanatos19]

Plax 4 Prez, on 07 June 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

I stated my comment based on composure, post-season, health, and if I were a GM and had to pick a QB based on recent seasons, I would take Eli not only over Rivers but over the rapist Ben aswell. Just my opinion, it's def. ok if you do not agree, lol.

The rapist Ben lol.

You should probably do a bit of research before tossing around accusations.

Like how the woman knew his exact weight and height down to the pound and inch when she reported it. Almost as if she had looked it up prior to the "incident."

[Plax 4 Prez]

BwareDWare94, on 07 June 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

There are plenty of ring-less QBs out there who could have won Super Bowls with Eli's two Giant teams. Rivers is one of them. Romo is another. You could even throw Matt Schaub into that conversation, and I'm sure I'm missing more.

I'm not saying if you swap Eli and these QBs that it would have happened, but I'd still bet on it. The Giants have had great teams, just like every other Super Bowl winner. It's not all Eli, by any means.

I'll still take Eli as of right now, but if he goes back to his ELI-NT ways, I may switch to Rivers.

hahahahahahahahhahahahhahhahahahahahhahahahahahha, are u fucken serious??? The guy won 1 playoff game in 5 years!! Yes, the Giants have had great teams, BUT the Giants don't win any of those Super Bowl's without Eli as QB, in 2007 Eli masterfully won the game against your Cowboys, and Brett Favre's Packers in sub -20 weather, then beat the undefeated Pats, and this playoffs we basically shutout the Falcons, beat the defending SB champs, and beat the Pats again. If Rivers were the QB I can guarentee neither of those 2 would've happened

[Plax 4 Prez]

Thanatos19, on 07 June 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

The rapist Ben lol.

You should probably do a bit of research before tossing around accusations.

Like how the woman knew his exact weight and height down to the pound and inch when she reported it. Almost as if she had looked it up prior to the "incident."

Blah, as previously said, my opinion is my opinion... if he was innocent the NFL wouldn't have suspended him for his 2nd incident... btw, great cover up for Ben to get married like a year after that, lol.

[BwareDWare94]

Plax 4 Prez, on 07 June 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

hahahahahahahahhahahahhahhahahahahahhahahahahahha, are u fucken serious??? The guy won 1 playoff game in 5 years!! Yes, the Giants have had great teams, BUT the Giants don't win any of those Super Bowl's without Eli as QB, in 2007 Eli masterfully won the game against your Cowboys, and Brett Favre's Packers in sub -20 weather, then beat the undefeated Pats, and this playoffs we basically shutout the Falcons, beat the defending SB champs, and beat the Pats again. If Rivers were the QB I can guarentee neither of those 2 would've happened

LOL

[Thanatos19]

Plax 4 Prez, on 07 June 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Blah, as previously said, my opinion is my opinion... if he was innocent the NFL wouldn't have suspended him for his 2nd incident... btw, great cover up for Ben to get married like a year after that, lol.

Because a guy like him who could get any girl he wanted obviously would stoop to rape.

And the girl obviously would just have happened to have researched his exact weight and height so that she could give it to the police in case he happened to come after her.

This post has been edited by Thanatos19: 07 June 2012 - 05:24 PM

[Zack_of_Steel]

Thanatos19, on 07 June 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

Because a guy like him who could get any girl he wanted obviously would stoop to rape.

And the girl obviously would just have happened to have been researched his exact weight and height so that she could give it to the police in case he happened to come after her.

Plax 4 Prez is akin to jagsr4real. There is no reasoning with children.

The girl that accused Ben of rape was also 20 years old and blew ten times the legal limit, yet she still somehow knew his height and weight that were listed on ESPN's website.

This post has been edited by Zack_of_Steel: 07 June 2012 - 05:06 PM

[Plax 4 Prez]

Thanatos19, on 07 June 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

Because a guy like him who could get any girl he wanted obviously would stoop to rape.

And the girl obviously would just have happened to have researched his exact weight and height so that she could give it to the police in case he happened to come after her.

Ok, so he didn't have two body guards watching the door at a bar while he was in the bathroom "hanging out" with some chick, lol. You put yourself in bad situations bad things happen, period. Just so happened to be the 2nd incident for him. Believe what you want, I can care two shits less. Still back to what we were originally talking about before fat boy came to your defense I would take Eli over both Ben and Rivers, neither would have won it all in the situations that Eli was in 2007 and 2011

[monstersofthemidway]

Big Ben had probably the worst line for about Jesus 4 years... and won a superbowl. Also he took a bunch of scrubs on the OL to the superbowl as well in 2010. So your logic is kinda faulty there guy.

[Thanatos19]

Plax 4 Prez, on 07 June 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

Ok, so he didn't have two body guards watching the door at a bar while he was in the bathroom "hanging out" with some chick, lol. You put yourself in bad situations bad things happen, period. Just so happened to be the 2nd incident for him. Believe what you want, I can care two shits less. Still back to what we were originally talking about before fat boy came to your defense I would take Eli over both Ben and Rivers, neither would have won it all in the situations that Eli was in 2007 and 2011

I'm confused. I thought you called Zack fat boy. Can your feeble mind only come up with one insult?

[Plax 4 Prez]

Thanatos19, on 07 June 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

I'm confused. I thought you called Zack fat boy. Can your feeble mind only come up with one insult?

That's who I was talking about dude... I have no beef with you, I'm not here to make enemies, but Zack and I have been having issues for a while now. No need to insult you, even though your quote of me having a feeble mind is an insult and inaccurate, I understand it was in retaliation for what you thought I was calling you.

This post has been edited by Plax 4 Prez: 07 June 2012 - 05:55 PM

[Zack_of_Steel]

Plax 4 Prez, on 07 June 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

That's who I was talking about dude... I have no beef with you, I'm not here to make enemies, but Zack and I have been having issues for a while now. No need to insult you, even though your quote of me having a feeble mind is an insult and inaccurate, I understand it was in retaliation for what you thought I was calling you.

I have had no issues with you. I neg your retarded posts the same way I do everyone else's. You are the only one throwing out insults and personal attacks over a few negs, lmao.

You spam, double post, vomit homerism, and then proceed to attack me for disliking (negging) your posts. lol. Keep crying, I'm finished responding to you.



Rivers > Eli [/thread]