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#1 User is offline   butta55 

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  Posted 12 June 2012 - 01:00 AM

Using your team's defense which would give you more problems...trying to cover a team with Rob Gronkowski and Vernon Davis or a team with Aaron Hernandez and Jimmy Graham?
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 01:53 AM

The first pair of guys and it's not even close.

That's the two best tight ends in the league right there vs the 3rd best and somebody maybe in the top 10?
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 04:48 AM

You should've put Gronk and Hernandez vs Davis and Graham..
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 07:04 AM

View Postbadgers, on 12 June 2012 - 01:53 AM, said:

The first pair of guys and it's not even close.

That's the two best tight ends in the league right there vs the 3rd best and somebody maybe in the top 10?


Vernon Davis is the second best tight end in the league?
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:20 AM

View PostThanatos19, on 12 June 2012 - 07:04 AM, said:

Vernon Davis is the second best tight end in the league?


1. Gronk - Duh
2. Graham
3. Davis
4. Finley
5. Hernandez
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:40 AM

This is slightly off-topic but I'm saying it anyway. If a guy has a huge size advantage to start...and then you give him adequate speed...that's going to give him a great career. You can only rely on speed for so long in your career, where as to size...that's never going to leave.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 12:42 PM

View PostChris D, on 12 June 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

1. Gronk - Duh
2. Graham
3. Davis
4. Finley
5. Hernandez


I lol'd so hard at this list.
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 12:43 PM

View PostChris D, on 12 June 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

1. Gronk - Duh
2. Graham
3. Davis
4. Finley
5. Hernandez


Finley has done nothing. He's always hurt and is whining like a little bitch. I'm not sure I'd even have him in my top 10 list. Witten and Gates should be in there over Hernandez and Finley.

For the thread, give me Gronk and Davis. Gronk has the slight edge over Graham and Davis is better than Hernandez.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 01:36 PM

I didn't put Gronks and Hernandez together because well they already play together lol. I think a lot of people are underrating Hernandez's versatility. Look at all the places the man lined up this year. Running back in the playoffs is something I don't think most the TE can do.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 11:36 AM

For doing nothing, he still produced solid numbers for the season. If you have Davis and Hernandez in your top 5, I'm not sure the issue with Finley:

Davis:
67 Receptions, 792 yds, 6 TDs

Hernandez:
79 Receptions, 910 yds, 7 TDs

Finley:
55 Receptions, 767 yds, 8 TDs


I'm not a fan of Finley, I think he's an absolute moron. But to be fair, he has done just about the same (If not more) than the tight ends you mentioned last season. And with less opportunities with the football. You can't sit and deny that he is a playmaker at the position. We aren't talking about who has/will have the better careers. We are talking about Now. Gonzalez is a lot slower now, and his route running has been declining for the past couple of seasons. I would take Finley over him at this point in a heart beat. The only thing that I like about Gonzo is that he doesn't drop the football. Gates is about even with Finley. If production plays any part in how you consider these guys, I'm not sure who you can say that a guy with nearly 10-20 receptions less than the top guys can be out of the top 5 with the same amount of production as them. Kind of backwards. People want to rate receivers like that, but not tight ends. What am I missing here?
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 11:47 AM

View PostChris D, on 13 June 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

For doing nothing, he still produced solid numbers for the season. If you have Davis and Hernandez in your top 5, I'm not sure the issue with Finley:

Davis:
67 Receptions, 792 yds, 6 TDs

Hernandez:
79 Receptions, 910 yds, 7 TDs

Finley:
55 Receptions, 767 yds, 8 TDs


I'm not a fan of Finley, I think he's an absolute moron. But to be fair, he has done just about the same (If not more) than the tight ends you mentioned last season. And with less opportunities with the football. You can't sit and deny that he is a playmaker at the position. We aren't talking about who has/will have the better careers. We are talking about Now. Gonzalez is a lot slower now, and his route running has been declining for the past couple of seasons. I would take Finley over him at this point in a heart beat. The only thing that I like about Gonzo is that he doesn't drop the football. Gates is about even with Finley. If production plays any part in how you consider these guys, I'm not sure who you can say that a guy with nearly 10-20 receptions less than the top guys can be out of the top 5 with the same amount of production as them. Kind of backwards. People want to rate receivers like that, but not tight ends. What am I missing here?


Finley doesn't have less opportunities with the football. He has less receptions because he drops 20% of the passes Rodgers drops in his breadbasket.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 05:26 PM

View PostThanatos19, on 12 June 2012 - 07:04 AM, said:

Vernon Davis is the second best tight end in the league?


The post-season he had should move him up a little higher, so at least the 4th best TE right now.
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