Cam Newton vs. Colin Kaepernick?

[Thanatos 2,847]

Um you might want to look at your spoiler alert again. That proves that I was correct that Carolina had a better rated pass blocking line last year. But I guess I am apparently not allowed to talk about that. So I bring up the current game that was being played. So I am not allowed to talk about that either. Lets talk about stats. Nope we can't bring those up either. So if the argument is going to be "Cam Newton is better because I say he is" then we will agree to disagree. I have brought up stats from last year. Im bringing up stats this year. Im bringing up offensive line play from last year.

 

So we can just agree to disagree. Unless someone wants to bring up some OBJECTIVE facts or game film. Have a good night everyone.

Okay so I can guess I can dismiss you easily now. You were just talking out of your ass regarding PFF and still trying to. That clearly says that the Niners have a pass block grade of 5.2 versus the Panthers' grade of 1.3.

 

It also shows that they have a better defense as well- overall of 116(SF) vs 62(CAR).

 

/end topic

Edited October 31, 2014 by Thanatos19

[paramedic586 1]

Bro. Look at the link I posted. So would you like to explain why these numbers are wrong in your eyes and a snapshot of a screen is correct?

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/4/

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/3/

Edited November 1, 2014 by paramedic586

[Thanatos 2,847]

Dmac's SS is from his subscribed account to PFF. Its not wrong. Or faked, if that is what you're implying.

 

Ah. I got it.

 

Your link is purely about the Offensive Line. Dmac's looks at the offense's pass blocking as a whole- which would include RBs and TEs, something your link ignores.

 

So while Carolina's line had a better ranking by a small margin, the actual overall pass blocking, which is what would matter in a real game, was better in SF than in CAR.

Edited November 1, 2014 by Thanatos19

[paramedic586 1]

Yes. The link I posted is purely about the offensive line. Which is what we been debating this whole time. Again the links I posted have Carolina ahead of the 49ers with pass blocking. They ranked the 49ers 13th with Carolina being the 10th. So pardon me for being skeptical about a link that I have no access to. The irony is the links come from the same website. So why the discrepancy?

 

Is it because you are now bringing in TE and RB into the equation of which team had a better pass blocking offensive line?

Edited November 1, 2014 by paramedic586

[Thanatos 2,847]

...

 

Why do we care about the five man front when in real life TEs and RBs are part of pass blocking on every passing play?

 

There is no discrepancy. The links you posted solely deal with the O-line. For all practical purposes, pass blocking is a better indicator of, well, pass blocking, than purely "which five man O-line pass blocks better?"

[paramedic586 1]

Lol. We have been talking about the offensive line this whole time. Your the one who brought it up. Now that I show you that you are wrong about the offensive line you want to talk about TE and RB in pass protection too.

 

I concede. Cam is better because you said so... There. Debate over

[Thanatos 2,847]

Technically, perhaps, but the reason we were talking about the offensive line is because of *pass blocking*. Why would you take the O-line in a vacuum? Yes, Carolina's O-line had slightly better pass blocking in 2013. So what? When the question is talking about Kaep vs Cam and we are wondering which QB has had more help from their team in regards to their passing, why would we take RBs and TEs out of the equation?

 

Kaepernick has had better pass blocking than Newton. Which was the point. You're just basing your observation on a technicality for last year. What actually matters in the real world is your pass blocking as a whole, not JUST your offensive line's pass blocking. It would be just as foolish to look solely at SF's RBs and TEs ability to pass block as it is to look solely at Carolina's offensive line's ability to pass block. You take the whole thing, not part of it, when the question is "Whose team is better at giving their QB time, (in 2013)," which is the entire point of this argument.

 

Kaep has had better pass blocking. Last year, as demonstrated, and this year for sure, since Carolina's ranks last in the league by a long shot. Idk where SF's is, but it can't be worse than dead last.

 

Kaep has had better pass targets- this would include WRs, TEs, and RBs catching passes. All targets, as that is the point of this thread.

 

Kaep has had better defense than Cam has had for every year except 2013, when Carolina had the slightly better defense stat-wise. (They still didn't know how to call defense for close games, the only close game they won without a major mistake from the QB was the Pats game and that had a, shall we say, "questionable" call at the end to help out. Brady still drove it down their throat until that last play.)

 

Kaep has had the better run-game. Williams and Stewart are two of the most overpaid RBs in the league and the last year they were at least decently good was Newton's rookie season. This also makes it easier to pass as the lanes open up for you more with a good running game.

 

Kaep was thrown onto an amazing team that had just been to the NFCC the year before- taken there by Captain Checkdown, Alex Smith. He's a mobile QB who isn't very accurate, locks onto targets, and doesn't go through reads very well: but he doesn't have to be that great of a QB because SF as a whole is a very very good team.

 

The contract SF gave him reflects this. Its an amazing contract for SF as a team and it reflects the great FO you guys have. They aren't sure about Kaep and the contract allows them to get out if they ever become sure he isn't the answer.

[RazorStar 4,025]

As my boy Colin Kaepernick would say: Second Reads are for pussies, bitch. And then he'd jack off his turtle or something cuz my boy Kaepernick is fucked up.

[Glanvilles Grits 142]

Newton without a doubt for me.

 

All season, Kaepernick has been proving me right about him. Staring down receivers, missing reads. Kaepernick is a great talent, but he is no game changing quarterback when passing the football.

 

Newton can do it all. He can make all the throws, he's got sneaky quickness, and he has the big frame that really helps with quarterbacks who like to run the football. He's changed his game so much and adapted so much since entering the league, it's unreal. And this coming from a guy who hates the Panthers with a passion.

[Thanatos 2,847]

Newton without a doubt for me.

 

All season, Kaepernick has been proving me right about him. Staring down receivers, missing reads. Kaepernick is a great talent, but he is no game changing quarterback when passing the football.

 

Newton can do it all. He can make all the throws, he's got sneaky quickness, and he has the big frame that really helps with quarterbacks who like to run the football. He's changed his game so much and adapted so much since entering the league, it's unreal. And this coming from a guy who hates the Panthers with a passion.

He's done this while taking painkilling shots before nearly every game with an O-line that has 4 undrafted free agents starting including a converted DT. He's done this with zero run game except what he makes up and with the worst O-line in the league by a long shot.

 

There was a conspiracy theory before the season that Gettleman was trying to sink Cam's numbers this season so he wouldn't be forced to give him a big contract.

 

And yet 3/4 of the Panthers fans on the huddle want to bench him for Derek Anderson.

 

Now I could understand that if their reasoning was "Cam is hurt and we don't want our franchise QB to hurt himself permanently in a season where we are clearly not Super Bowl contenders."

 

But their reasoning is that DA is better than Cam.

 

Just smh.