What's the Eagles record next year?

[seanbrock 1,684]

I'm not really sure what to expect with our QB situation but I don't see it being worse than it was last year. Consistently above average play at that position over 4 quarters could add a win or two imo.

[BwareDWare94 723]

10-6, wild card.

[FartWaffles 1,857]

Ask me in December.

[seanbrock 1,684]

On paper the defense should be better too. Especially with Billy Davis running the show for a third year.

[Bay 2,003]

Why do you care about the '16 Eagles already?

 

Need to look at the sced first.

[Cherry 1,302]

Sam Bradford healthy. 16-0. Sam Bradford injured. 0-16.

[ATL_Predator+ 1,196]

4-12. Shitty QB's plus horrendous defense = travesty

[Vin+ 3,121]

8-8

[seanbrock 1,684]

Rivers is going to be an Eagle next year. If that happened 12-13 wins would be very possible. Oh and Cholly, Eagles defense is far from horrendous. We could have our best LB corps is like 25 years.

[SteVo+ 3,702]

I'm feeling 9-7. The defense will give up less big plays and be better overall, but the QB position will define our season. Bradford's health is obviously an issue, but even if he plays 16 games, is anyone seriously convinced he'll be good enough to win the division?

[seanbrock 1,684]

I think Bradford can play better than Foles/Sanchez/Vick. Does that make us contenders or set us further back from getting our guy.

[Bangy 19]

8-8 the QB situation is still a mess and if Bradford goes down again it's all on Sanchez. Plus the East is still pretty competitive.

Edited May 7, 2015 by Bangy

[GA_Eagle 595]

I have no idea. Anywhere from dog shit to awesome.

[oochymp 2,393]

Looks like they're playing the AFC East, NFC South, Detroit, and Arizona, which is really a pretty weak schedule. I'm gonna start with four divisional wins, say three wins against the NFC South and two against the AFC East and I'm already up to nine wins with what I think is are conservative estimates. Based on that I'm gonna say somewhere between 10 and 13 wins, a lot will depend on Bradford's health.

[seanbrock 1,684]

A lot depends on the Giants who have sucked the last couple years. You can't bet on that happening again but it is possible. The Giants even being a little better could shake up the division a bunch.

[oochymp 2,393]

A lot depends on the Giants who have sucked the last couple years. You can't bet on that happening again but it is possible. The Giants even being a little better could shake up the division a bunch.

even if the Giants are better I'd still see Philly sweeping the Skins and splitting with NY and Dallas

[BwareDWare94 723]

I honestly think Tony's teammates have to implode in order for Philly to rise up. This division is Dallas' to lose if their draft picks and FA signings play well for Marinelli.

[seanbrock 1,684]

Really? Dallas wasn't that much better than the Eagles last year and you can always count on them to lose at least 2 games they should win.

[RazorStar 4,025]

Considering the Giants will be winning the Super Bowl this year they're bound to be a lot better.

[Dutch 874]

With basically a remodeled roster, it's pretty much impossible to guess anything to be honest. However, I think we did get better on both sides of the ball. On paper, we definitely got better on the defensive side of the ball acquiring Kiko Alonso, Byron Maxwell, and Walter Thurmond. I can only hope that Maxwell is good outside the Seahawks defense but it really can't get worse than Bradley Fletcher and Cary Williams. Kiko Alonso and Mychal Kendricks though is a HUGE boast to our linebacker core. Having Brandon Graham and Connor Barwin on the outside sets up our linebacker core to have elite potential. Our front 7 could be deadly.

 

Offensively, the only real loss to me is Jeremy Maclin. Lesean seemed to be a half a second to slow and wasn't as elusive and lost his explosiveness last year. Having two starting running backs in Demarco Murray and Ryan Mathews who know how to hit the hole and being one cut backs will more than likely be a sizeable upgrade. Sam Bradford if healthy, is an colossal upgrade over Foles who regressed pretty badly. Bradford still has #1 overall talent and has a tremendous skill set. We went 10-6 with Foles playing horribly and with Sanchez starting at QB. If Bradford stays healthy, I really like our chances.

 

If we have a healthy Bradford and continue to run the rock, I think we will be on fire. Overly optimistic with 11-5

Edited May 28, 2015 by Dutch

[seanbrock 1,684]

I think if McCoy is an upgrade over McCoy it's really because of scheme fit more than talent. Don't forget that the Eagles had only one starter available at one point last year while Murray ran behind a dominant and fully healthy offensive line. I don't think that McCoy lost explosiveness last year, I just think that his running style is constantly to go for the home run by bouncing it outside and he got burnt. Chip wants to wear defenses down with big receivers, big, powerful backs and a relentless pace while defenses are spread out and then use guys who can take the ball to the house when they get into space. They use the deep ball like any other team, but it's not their bread and butter. They want to dictate the pace of the game.

 

LeSean still had his plays last year that made you go holy shit this guy is a fucking living legend. Hard for any RB to succeed when your line is decimated. I've seen a lot of people point Darren Sproles having more success at times but that's really not fair because teams react way differently to Sproles when he's on the field and he gets a lot less carries and is fresher than McCoy. I'm not a fan of the things McCoy has said since he left but I'm not going to sit here and dog a guy I hyped up the last 2 years beyond belief because I don't like him anymore. Dude is legit and I think there's plenty of tread left on his tires.

[Dutch 874]

I think if McCoy is an upgrade over McCoy it's really because of scheme fit more than talent. Don't forget that the Eagles had only one starter available at one point last year while Murray ran behind a dominant and fully healthy offensive line. I don't think that McCoy lost explosiveness last year, I just think that his running style is constantly to go for the home run by bouncing it outside and he got burnt. Chip wants to wear defenses down with big receivers, big, powerful backs and a relentless pace while defenses are spread out and then use guys who can take the ball to the house when they get into space. They use the deep ball like any other team, but it's not their bread and butter. They want to dictate the pace of the game.

 

LeSean still had his plays last year that made you go holy shit this guy is a fucking living legend. Hard for any RB to succeed when your line is decimated. I've seen a lot of people point Darren Sproles having more success at times but that's really not fair because teams react way differently to Sproles when he's on the field and he gets a lot less carries and is fresher than McCoy. I'm not a fan of the things McCoy has said since he left but I'm not going to sit here and dog a guy I hyped up the last 2 years beyond belief because I don't like him anymore. Dude is legit and I think there's plenty of tread left on his tires.

 

 

I think Mccoy is a more talented runner than Murray as well but last year, McCoy wasn't the same play maker that we know him to be. He wasn't as elusive or explosive last year and it was pretty apparent watching him run the ball. He was just a half a second to slow on his cuts and couldn't make guys miss. He's yards after contact was far below his standard and so was his yards per carry. With that said, just because McCoy is gone, that's not why I'm saying these things. Ive mentioned his lack of play making ability last season in several different threads.

 

http://www.thegridironpalace.com/forums/index.php?/topic/69703-top-10-rb/?p=2542545

http://www.thegridironpalace.com/forums/index.php?/topic/72820-eagles-sign-frank-gore/?p=2552283

 

The offensive line wasn't all the blame either for Shady's ineffectiveness. Yes, we had injuries but there were loads of opportunities that McCoy didn't capitalize on due to him trying to do too much or not hitting the wide open hole. Shady was a volume carrier last year and seemed a step slower in lateral quickness/agility. I don't know if it was because of his increased work load but it was pretty obvious watching him. With that said, I wouldn't say Shady is done but I will say that if it were ever a good time to get rid of him and get great value, it was this season. After 600ish carries in the last two season and an apparent drop off in running production and effectiveness whether you want to attribute it to just a down season or right before the skill decline of a RB, it's perfect timing in my opinion. Getting Murray AND Mathews is definitely an upgrade over McCoy barring injury.

[seanbrock 1,684]

See, I disagree. When healthy the Eagles offensive line is a top 3 unit in the league, but the problem was outside of Barbre there was no depth. Those negative plays stand out more because he didn't have the blocking to hit as many home runs when he hesitated and bounced outside. It's a lot easier to get yards after contact in the open field when the blocking gets you to the second level virtually untouched as they did more than a few times in 2013, especially for the type of back McCoy is. You go from having a great offensive line to a bunch of mediocre and not even solid back ups and it's going to make a big difference. If you look at McCoy's numbers. His total numbers 1,300 yards behind a decimated offensive line is not bad at all. 4.2 ypc isn't good, but it's not terrible either.

 

There's also the fact that the passing game was a lot less effective for the Eagles than it was last year. Nobody was scared of Foles being able to beat them deep. McCoy was running better with Sanchez in because while he did throw picks, defenses at least had to respect his arm a little more.

 

Where we do agree though is that we'll have 3 fresh physical RB's, two of which are proven to be bona fide starters. Our line will start the year with no suspensions and we won't have noodle arm Foles under center allowing teams to stick their safeties in the box without getting burnt for it. Our running game should be improved.