Sarge+ 3,436 Posted August 3, 2015 (edited) Let's make All-Star teams out of all the divisions. There are no formal rules for this. You can mix and match your players to fit any style you would want to play. This is especially true on offense, where I give you the option to choose a 2nd RB, a 2nd TE, or a 3rd WR. What kind of offense do you want to run for your All-Star team? On defense, you can fill out a 3-4 or a 4-3. Or you can do both for fun, but only one could take the field in a hypothetical scenario. Let's get to it! AFC North: Offense: QB: RB1: WR1: WR2: TE: Utility player (RB2/TE2/WR3): LT: LG: C: RG: RT: 4-3 defense RDE: DT: DT: LDE: LOLB: MLB: ROLB: CB1: CB2: CB3: FS: SS: 3-4 defense DE: NT: DE: LOLB: ILB: ILB: ROLB: CB1: CB2: FS: SS: Return Specialist: Punter: Kicker: Head Coach: Offensive Coordinator: Defensive Coordinator: Edited August 3, 2015 by Sarge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry 1,302 Posted August 3, 2015 AFC North: Offense: QB: Ben Roethlisberger RB1: LeVeon Bell WR1: Antonio Brown WR2: A.J. Green TE: Tyler Eifert Utility player (RB2/TE2/WR3): Jeremy Hill LT: Joe Thomas LG: Marshal Yanda C: Maurkice Pouncey RG: Kevin Zeitler RT: Andre Smith 4-3 defense RDE: Carlos Dunlap DT: Cameron Heyward DT: Geno Atkins LDE: Elvis Dumervil LOLB: Ryan Shazier MLB: Daryl Smith ROLB: Vontaze Burfict CB1: Joe Haden CB2: Leon Hall FS: Reggie Nelson SS: Donte Whitner 3-4 defense DE: Cameron Heyward NT: Danny Shelton DE: Geno Atkins LOLB: Terrell Suggs ILB: Daryl Smith ILB: Vontaze Burfict ROLB: Carlos Dunlap CB1: Joe Haden CB2: Leon Hall FS: Reggie Nelson SS: Donte Whitner Return Specialist: Adam Jones Punter: Kevin Huber Kicker: Justin Tucker Head Coach: Mike Tomlin Offensive Coordinator: Todd Haley Defensive Coordinator: Dean Pees Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted August 3, 2015 Shazier and Vontaze should be swapped in your 4-3, Cherry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge+ 3,436 Posted August 3, 2015 Slight change. If you made a team, go ahead and post a CB3 as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry 1,302 Posted August 3, 2015 Shazier and Vontaze should be swapped in your 4-3, Cherry. You sure? Burfict is WLB, Shazier LILB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted August 3, 2015 (edited) Offense: QB: Ben Roethlisberger RB1: Le'Veon Bell WR1: Antonio Brown WR2: A.J. Green TE: Heath Miller Utility player (RB2/TE2/WR3): Martavis Bryant LT: Joe Thomas LG: Maurkice Pouncey C: Alex Mack RG: Marshall Yanda RT: Andrew Whitworth 4-3 defense RDE: Elvis Dumervil UT: Geno Atkins NT: Cameron Heyward LDE: Carlos Dunlap LOLB: Karlos Dansby MLB: Lawrence Timmons ROLB: Daryl Smith CB1: Joe Haden CB2: Jimmy Smith CB3: Brandon Boykin FS: Tashaun Gipson SS: George Iloka 3-4 defense RDE: Carlos Dunlap NT: Geno Atkins LDE: Cameron Heyward LOLB: Terrell Suggs SILB: Karlos Dansby WILB: Lawrence Timmons ROLB: Elvis Dumervil CB1: Joe Haden CB2: Jimmy Smith CB3: Brandon Boykin FS: Tashaun Gipson SS: George Iloka Return Specialist: Punter: Kicker: Head Coach: Gary Kubiak Offensive Coordinator: Todd Haley Defensive Coordinator: 3-4 Dean Pees, 4-3 Paul Guenther You sure? Burfict is WLB, Shazier LILB. Burfict plays WLB, but he's more of a thumper and isn't as much of a coverage backer as most WLBs. Shazier is not a LILB, he's a RILB/WILB/Mack, a slighter build, coverage LB. Edited August 3, 2015 by Zack_of_Steel 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge+ 3,436 Posted August 3, 2015 Zack, Kubiak is the head coach in Denver now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted August 3, 2015 (edited) Zack, Kubiak is the head coach in Denver now. Forgot. Dammit. Well then I'll roll without a HC because fuck the AFCN. Actually give me Marc Trestman. Edited August 3, 2015 by Zack_of_Steel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seanbrock 1,684 Posted August 4, 2015 Zack, Dunlap as your 5 tech DE and Dumervil on the same side would get your defense hate fucked by opposing running games on the reg. Guess you guys would be rolling with the 4-3 lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry 1,302 Posted August 4, 2015 Dunlap at 3-4 DE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) Dunlap has the build for weakside DE and the Ravens don't have the same defense as the Steelers. It's more of an attacking 3-4 and with that personnel it should've been a giveaway that it'd be run as a one-gap 3-4. Geno at NT? I mean come on. Dunlap at 3-4 DE is no more ridiculous than him at 3-4 OLB. Or Dumervil at LDE in a 4-3 for that matter. Or Geno Atkins at 3-4 DE. Oh, and it's funny that you say Dunlap is poor against the run. I know you put some stock in PFF ratings and Dunlap was 20th against the run last year and 4th the year prior for 4-3 DEs (not that I looked at the ratings before this post, I made my teams without looking at PFF). Edited August 4, 2015 by Zack_of_Steel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RazorStar 4,025 Posted August 4, 2015 I have to post before Zack otherwise my list looks exactly the same, except for one position. Flacco > Roethlisberger 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oochymp 2,393 Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) Offense: QB: Ben Roethlisberger RB1: LeVeon Bell WR1: Antonio Brown WR2: A.J. Green TE: Heath Miller Utility player (RB2/TE2/WR3): Jeremy Hill LT: Joe Thomas LG: Kelechi Osemele C: Alex Mack RG: Marshal Yanda RT: Marcus Gilbert three of four teams run a 3-4, so that's what I'm going with 3-4 defense DE: Carlos Dunlap NT: Geno Atkins DE: Cameron Heyward LOLB: Terrell Suggs ILB: Karlos Dansby ILB: Lawrence Timmons ROLB: Elvis Dumervil CB1: Joe Haden CB2: Jimmy Smith CB3: Brandon Boykin FS: Reggie Nelson SS: Donte Whitner Return Specialist: Pacman Jones Punter: Sam Koch Kicker: Shaun Suisham Head Coach: Mike Tomlin (not a huge fan of any of the HCs, so I'll go with the WM guy) Offensive Coordinator: Todd Haley Defensive Coordinator: Paul Guenther and the breakdown: Steelers: 9 players, 2 coaches Bengals: 6 players, 1 coach Ravens: 6 players Browns: 5 players I think the oline was the hardest part of this one, a lot of good olinemen in this division Edited August 4, 2015 by oochymp 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry 1,302 Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) "Dunlap at 3-4 DE is no more ridiculous than him at 3-4 OLB." Dunlap is an incredibly athletic player and has the speed to play off the edge. He could fit as a 3-4 OLB way easier than a 3-4 DE. Edited August 4, 2015 by Chernobyl426 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oochymp 2,393 Posted August 4, 2015 personally, I put him at DE because he's too good not to be somewhere but he wasn't going ahead of Suggs or Dumervil at OLB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seanbrock 1,684 Posted August 4, 2015 Dunlap has the build for weakside DE and the Ravens don't have the same defense as the Steelers. It's more of an attacking 3-4 and with that personnel it should've been a giveaway that it'd be run as a one-gap 3-4. Geno at NT? I mean come on. Dunlap at 3-4 DE is no more ridiculous than him at 3-4 OLB. Or Dumervil at LDE in a 4-3 for that matter. Or Geno Atkins at 3-4 DE. Oh, and it's funny that you say Dunlap is poor against the run. I know you put some stock in PFF ratings and Dunlap was 20th against the run last year and 4th the year prior for 4-3 DEs (not that I looked at the ratings before this post, I made my teams without looking at PFF). Well I mean, usually 4-3 DE playing the 5 tech would struggle against the run. Dumervil is also nortioursly bad against the run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) "Dunlap at 3-4 DE is no more ridiculous than him at 3-4 OLB." Dunlap is an incredibly athletic player and has the speed to play off the edge. He could fit as a 3-4 OLB way easier than a 3-4 DE. The only two players with bodies like Dunlap that have played 3-4 OLB successfully are Mario Williams and Julius Peppers. He is too tall and would get out-leveraged in a two-point stance. Part of why James Harrison has been one of the best 3-4 OLBs in the league is the fact that he's 6' and dips so low around the edge. Dunlap is 6'6" 280. That's ideal for a weakside 3-4 DE. Brett Keisel was 6'5" 285, Justin Smith 6'4" 285. Jason Hatcher had a great year in 2012 as Dallas's weakside DE, a team that runs a Phillips (1 gap) 3-4, and he was 6'6" 285. Furthermore, pre-draft analyses had Dunlap listed as either a 4-3 or 3-4 DE, so quite simply, you're wrong here. Well I mean, usually 4-3 DE playing the 5 tech would struggle against the run. Dumervil is also nortioursly bad against the run. Except in a one-gap 3-4 he's not required to play a 5 technique. NT and one DE play 1 gap, penetration roles (1 tech and 6 tech, respectively), while the other DE plays a 5 (Cameron Heyward). Edited August 4, 2015 by Zack_of_Steel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seanbrock 1,684 Posted August 4, 2015 Yeah idk, I guess I can see your point, but I don't think just because he has the size to play the position that he would be good, especially not on the same side as such a poor run defender. DeMarcus Ware may never have been an elite run defender but he was better than Doom and bigger than Doom. I also think Keisel was much stronger at the point of attack than Dunlap despite them being similar in size. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) Dunlap has the size and has always been known as a run defender with some pass rush ability. He's perfect for the role of weakside DE and, like I said, was pegged as either a 3-4 or 4-3 DE. Just because he's played 4-3 DE doesn't mean he's incapable of playing 3-4 DE. Keisel was always more of a pass rusher than run defender, yet he did well in run defense as well. Edited August 5, 2015 by Zack_of_Steel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge+ 3,436 Posted August 5, 2015 I miss Keisel. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry 1,302 Posted August 5, 2015 I think you're really underrating Dunlap from an athletic perspective solely because of his size. He isn't as small as most 3-4 OLBs but I don't think that would stop him from doing well. Agree to disagree I guess Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack_of_Steel+ 3,014 Posted August 5, 2015 And your reasoning for laughing him off as a 3-4 DE is?... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry 1,302 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) And your reasoning for laughing him off as a 3-4 DE is?... I'm not gonna argue it. You're smarter than I am. Edited August 6, 2015 by Chernobyl426 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
butta54 371 Posted August 14, 2015 Offense: QB: BIG Ben RB1: Le'Veon Bell WR1: AJ Green WR2: Antonio Brown TE: Tyler Eifert Utility player (RB2/TE2/WR3): Steven Smith III LT: Joe Thomas LG: Kelechi Osemele C: Alex Mack RG: Marshal Yanda RT: Andrew Whitworth 3-4 defense DE: Timmy Jernigan NT: Steve McLendon DE: Geno Atkins LOLB: Paul Kruger ILB: Lawrence Timmons ILB: CJ Mosley ROLB: Elvis Dumervil CB1: Joe Haden CB2: Jimmy Smith CB3: Brandon Boykin FS: Tashaun Gipson SS: Reggie Nelson Return Specialist: Dri Archer Punter: Sam Kock Kicker: Shaun Suisham Head Coach: Marvin Lewis Offensive Coordinator: Todd Haley Defensive Coordinator: Mike Tomlin Didn't pick T Sizzle cause he is one of those woman beaters we don't like Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oochymp 2,393 Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) Utility player (RB2/TE2/WR3): Steven Smith III I think you mean Steve Smith, Sr. otherwise a solid list, though I do have to ask about including Dri Archer as the returner when he only made 10 returns as a rookie last year and you have Pacman Jones available Edited August 14, 2015 by oochymp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
