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Lol. We have been talking about the offensive line this whole time. Your the one who brought it up. Now that I show you that you are wrong about the offensive line you want to talk about TE and RB in pass protection too. I concede. Cam is better because you said so... There. Debate over

Yes. The link I posted is purely about the offensive line. Which is what we been debating this whole time. Again the links I posted have Carolina ahead of the 49ers with pass blocking. They ranked the 49ers 13th with Carolina being the 10th. So pardon me for being skeptical about a link that I have no access to. The irony is the links come from the same website. So why the discrepancy? Is it because you are now bringing in TE and RB into the equation of which team had a better pass blocking offensive line?

Bro. Look at the link I posted. So would you like to explain why these numbers are wrong in your eyes and a snapshot of a screen is correct? https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/4/ https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/3/

Um you might want to look at your spoiler alert again. That proves that I was correct that Carolina had a better rated pass blocking line last year. But I guess I am apparently not allowed to talk about that. So I bring up the current game that was being played. So I am not allowed to talk about that either. Lets talk about stats. Nope we can't bring those up either. So if the argument is going to be "Cam Newton is better because I say he is" then we will agree to disagree. I have brought up stats from last year. Im bringing up stats this year. Im bringing up offensive line play from last year. So we can just agree to disagree. Unless someone wants to bring up some OBJECTIVE facts or game film. Have a good night everyone.

Well according to pff. Carolina had a better pass blocking offensive line then the 49ers last year. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/4/ If this discussion wasn't even close then there wouldn't even be a topic on the matter. Lots of statistics point to what I'm saying. Qb rating, QBR, turnover ratio all point to what I'm saying. All I'm hearing is cam newton would be better if he had a better line, better wr, better TE, better OC, better coaching staff etc. Those arguments wouldn't need to be addressed if Cam was truly better. But the fact is they are so close to each other it still can be debated. Watching the game now I'm not seeing a qb that is light Years ahead of kap. The irony is Newton just three an INT that kaepernick gets sand blasted for by the media. Three a bullet behind the WR. So was that cams fault or the WR?

What I mean by a smarter runner is that he doesn't fight for extra yards. He takes what he can get and then slides or runs out of bounds. Of course Kap takes off running at times when he shouldn't. That is too be expected. But if you watched his games this year you see an increased awareness in the pocket. He goes through his reads better. Evidence of that? He doesn't take off running as much unless it's a designed play and he is getting the ball to more WR and TEs. He had a really good sideline pass he dropped into gores hands. It was called back after a review. But his development into a pocket passer is evident if you watch the games.

Well if you are looking at a total career I would say Cam has the better pocket presence. He should he has been in the league longer. But this year Kap has shown strides in that area. Anticipation is something that grows with time as well too. I guess my bias comes from seeing how he has progressed (kap) instead of watching isolated games (CAm) and making my decisions based on that. Again I was not impressed at all in the playoff game. The 4th Quarter stood out to me like a sore thumb. I was seeing a QB that completely lost his composer and wasn't able to recover.

Maybe Im getting confused on the topic of this conversation. Are we talking about who is the better QB "NOW". Or are we taking into consideration the progress that we are seeing and the progress we anticipate? Because I change my vote if it is strictly on what we see now. Kap IMHO is showing progress year to year in the right direction and I think he will have the more successful career if he progresses steadily. What is a stereotypical number one WR in your opinion?

Your definitely correct on vision and progressions. Accuracy is debatable. I would give the short accuracy to Cam the long ball to Kap. Im not sure about the Medium though. Kaepernick has however shown progress on his reads. He is seeing the field better than last year but still has work to be done.

First of all. Calm down. No reason to get angry. You keep going back and forth between years past and this year. 1. So you bring up stats when Cam newton was breaking records but I can't bring up stats when comparing seasons? 2. Anybody who knows anything about the 49ers offensive line knows that they are very good run blockers but not as good against the pass. That is just a simple fact. Stats show that. 3. Yes last year Kaepernick would lock onto one or two WRs. This year he has shown obvious improvement in that area as well. It does help that he is playing the beginning of this season with actual NFL WRs. The 49ers starters last was Kyle Williams, Marlon Moore, Jon Baldwin etc. Baldwin had problems cracking the 46 man roster on game day but thats a different argument. So saying that the panthers WR were hurt is the same argument that im using. 4. Kaepernicks pre snap read was the CORRECT read actually. He had a cover three look with zone coverage on the Left and Man on the right. The Safety was playing over the middle. So the READ was not wrong. The throw was a bad throw. 5 Kap is a smarter runner. He doesn't muscle people for extra yards. I don't see that as a negative on his part. There is a reason why he can stay healthy. He doesn't take unnecessary hits. 6.Yes Alex Smith took them to a NFCCG. Kaepernick took them to two and a Superbowl. Im by no means saying that Cam is a bad QB. He is a very good one. But the question was asked about who is the better QB right now. My opinion is that its Kaepernick based on the talent he has on the team, the coaching staff, Collins dedication to the film room and Kaepernicks raw ability. Every problem that people point out is something that is coachable. In fact it is better this year then last year. Again not trying to start an argument. Im just trying to find a place to talk some good football.

So basically what Im hearing is that Cam Newton is better because... Stats show that statistically that Kaepernick has been better in multiple aspects of the game. Steve Smith is an excellent WR. So to make the argument that he doesn't have a legitimate weapons is quit comical. Greg Olsen is a very good TE. LaFell last year was a good number 2 WR. Stats show that. The offensive line argument is weak because the 49ers offensive line was ranked 11th according to NFL.com and the panthers were ranked 17th. Also anybody who follows the 49ers know that their line is very good at run blocking; but hasn't been very good at pass protection. So does anybody have any stats or evidence that Newton is "light years" ahead of Kaepernick? Lets also not forget that the Panthers had a better defense then the 49ers last year as well. Our special teams return unit was not very good last year either.

I don't have a lot to go off of besides what I have seen of Cam. What I have seen was not impressive. I know stats do not tell the whole story but they are a good synopsis of the story. Kaepernick has proved that he could carry the team. Games that come to mind are Green bay Week 1, Atlanta in the playoffs, Green Bay in the first play off game as well. If Carolina has a bad OC then you are going to be looking at hypothetical situations on whom is better. I.E if Cam had Kaps OC and weapons and vise versa. The other thing I see out of Kaepernick is progression as well. He is showing he is getting better. He is getting to his second and third reads. I wish I would of seen this post yesterday. I would payed closer attention to Cam yesterday.

Im going to go with Kaepernick. If you go by stats alone Collin has better stats this year then Newton. They are close but they are better. Going by last years stats Collin statistically had a better season as well. The biggest problems with Kaepernick is his consistency. He will play some games that will leave you in awe. Then he plays some games and your asking yourself "how is he even a NFL QB". However going from last year he would have flat out bad games. This year im noticing that he is having bad drives. Can not really point to a game where he played horribly all four Quarters. I do not buy the "weapons" argument either. Cam last year had Steve Smith Sr, Brandon Lafell and Greg Olsen. Those are pretty good players. Unfortunately I do not have a lot of date on Newton. I seen he play the 49ers twice and Seahawks twice. Not a very good sample size to cast a fair judgment. But what I saw from him in the playoffs last year in the 4th quarter would make me take Kap. Newton was gassed at the end of that game.